barber said are doing self-examination, but it's probably smart, right, bob, for the democrats to do soul searching, too, because they will not have president obama running on the ticket four years from now, so, who do you think that the democrats are spending some time also thinking of where do we go from here. >> absolutely. and one, first of all, one of the democrats have with or without obama, demographic and the republicans simply can't win this demographic breakdown. >> latinos, minorities. >> i don't think it has to be that way. >> it doesn't have to be that way, but that requires policies, but democrats are coming up with, a big one going on obama who wants to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff and it's going to mean the left is not happy, and you guys have called him a socialist and all of this stuff, i'm telling you much more of a centrist than you think? >> obama? i think he's-- >> no, you're just so wrong about that. >> he's as far left, and he-- >> you talk about it.